Internal Medicine Residency Program at
Saint Barnabas Medical Center

Information for Residency Applicants

Applicants for residency positions frequently have questions about the program that are not covered in the brochure or other material previously provided.  We have prepared this document to anticipate and respond to the prevalent concerns of candidates to our residency program.  By addressing these prior to the interview, our department faculty will be able to utilize the interview process to better become acquainted with individual applicants, appreciate the unique strengths each applicant may bring to the program, and discuss items of particular interest to applicants.  Applicants are invited to review this before their interview. (Hint: don’t ask us questions answered on the website or on information provided to applicants!)

IS THERE AN UNDERLYING PHILOSOPHY OF THE SAINT BARNABAS MEDICAL CENTER (SBMC) MEDICINE RESIDENCY PROGRAM?

We are committed to the concept that the residency training program is an educational – not a service – experience.  We expect our graduates to be caring, competent, ethical, and intellectually curious physicians with a passion for medicine and capable of either successfully continuing with fellowship training or entering medical practice.  We achieve this by creating a rich, congenial, collegial educational environment with appropriate role models for our residents, by carrying out scholarly activities, and by representing and demanding clinical excellence.

We emphasize high standards of ethics and professionalism.  We encourage questioning.  We respect scholarship.  We want our residents to truly enjoy their experience; learning is easier when it is fun.  Read the reprints provided.  Ours is a uniquely intimate and nurturing environment.

Our residency now has a thematic identity. We are extremely proud to have developed our special program on humanities and medicine and the national recognition this has received. This is described further subsequently.

WHAT IS THE COMMITMENT OF SBMC TO EDUCATION?  IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE GOOD QUALITY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS IN A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL?

Saint Barnabas Medical Center recognizes that education – transmission of knowledge to a new generation of physicians and development of new knowledge – is fundamental to its role as a major medical center in the region and in the nation.  Indeed high quality clinical medicine and excellent medical education programs are inextricably linked and are complementary.  In many respects a community hospital, such as ours, is uniquely able to provide clinical role models to residents, provide expert clinical teaching, and structure successful and innovative clinical programs.  Those physicians who participate in the educational programs of the Department of Medicine are superb clinicians and dedicated teachers, and they do so because of their commitment to medical education and love of teaching.  We are very proud of our programs, and of our clinicians who teach residents; we consider them equal to or stronger than any, regardless of setting.

 

WHAT IS THE MEDICAL SCHOOL AFFILIATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE?

We have a relationship with University of Medicine and Dentistry-N.J. Medical School and are a major affiliate. We maintain strong but independent residencies in internal medicine.  We have enjoyed the opportunities to participate in the teaching of physical diagnosis to second-year medical students and provide rotations in medicine to third-year and fourth-year medical students.  SBMC faculty have appointments at the medical school, and medical school faculty participates in selected educational activities at SBMC.  This has been an important inter-relationship, as it facilitates maintaining an environment conducive to clinical scholarship at our institution.
We are also affiliated teaching hospital for the St. George’s University School of Medicine, a leading international center for medical education that has provided high-quality clinical education for more than twenty five years in more than 50 formally affiliated teaching hospitals in the United States and the United Kingdom. The school now has over 5,500 graduates practicing medicine throughout the world. We have established a very successful and popular training program for the University’s third and fourth year medical students and our faculty have received formal appointments to the School of Medicine’s faculty.

ARE THERE FULL-TIME FACULTY IN THE DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE?  HOW MANY?

We have approximately 3 dozen full-time faculty in the Department of Medicine, including both salaried and geographic full-time individuals.  We are very pleased to have recently filled positions for full-time medical educators with gifted individuals.  Thus we have a number of faculty members who are virtually solely dedicated to resident education, a rather unique circumstance.  These individuals collectively have had decades of experience in medical education at academic medical centers with splendid records of pedagogy and distinguished scholarly achievement.

 

HOW CAN THE SUCCESS OF SBMC RESIDENTS BE MEASURED?  HOW DO GRADUATES PERFORM ON THE CERTIFYING EXAMINATION OF THE AMERICAN BOARD OF INTERNAL MEDICINE (ABIM)?  WHAT PRACTICE OR FELLOWSHIP OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE TO GRADUATES OF THE PROGRAM?

Our residency has been consistently and fully accredited.  We received laudatory evaluation from American Board of Internal (ABIM) site visits.  And we have been fully reaccredited with commendation and without citations by the Residency Review Committee of the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education; our most recent accreditation was for an unprecedented 10 years, as we are a participant in the elite educational innovation program. Positions offered in the match are all filled by the upper echelon of candidates.  Performance of our residents on American Board of Internal Medicine examinations (100% passed the last four years) and annual in-training exams are considerably above national averages, we won the NJ Chapter of the American College of Physicians (knowledge-based) “Challenge Bowl” six years in a row.  Our graduates do very well.  Many select practice opportunities in primary care/general internal medicine from excellent possibilities in our own or other communities.  Other graduates are offered further training at other attractive programs.  Recent graduates, for example, have obtained fellowship offers at the National Institutes of Health, Massachusetts General Hospital, Brigham and Women’s Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Johns Hopkins, Yale, Penn, Cornell, Columbia, Michigan, Cleveland Clinic, Jefferson, Georgetown, UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School, UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, UCLA, MCV, Rochester, and other medical centers; our recent preliminary interns have gone on to Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston University, NYU, Albany, Vanderbilt, Mount Sinai, Einstein, Yale, Duke, UMDNJ, and other institutions.  Ours is a program of established excellence.

 

HOW ARE OUR RESIDENTS SUPERVISED? WHAT IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN SUPERVISION AND AUTONOMY?

Residents are carefully supervised by voluntary and full-time faculty and given those prerogatives and responsibilities commensurate with their abilities.  In some instances, mature residents will be permitted a great deal of latitude in patient care decisions.  Because ours is not an excessively large program (34 residents), there is a pleasant degree of intimacy within the department.  Residents have ready access to our full-time faculty, as well as to voluntary staff, and our faculty knows the resident staff well. In today's medicine it would be unthinkable for residents to provide unsupervised care. It would be equally unacceptable for residents to provide care only as directed. We therefore carefully balance supervision and autonomy on our teaching services, titrating this to residents' level of training, abilities, willingness to accept responsibilities, and confidence (of residents and attending physicians).

 

HOW ARE OUR RESIDENTS EVALUATED AND GIVEN FEEDBACK ABOUT THEIR PERFORMANCE?

Virtually every clinical activity during residency is formally evaluated and these evaluations are conveyed to residents. Residents’ care of inpatients, outpatients, conference attendance, conference discussions and presentation, grand rounds presentations, research and scholarship, professionalism, interactions with other health care team members, scores on monthly exams, scores on annual exams, ability to evaluate standardized patients, and results of OSCEs (objective, standardized, clinical evaluations) are but some of the evaluative tools employed. As ours is a small and intimate program, residents are quite aware of their performance. Residents meet with the program director at least twice annually to review all performance-related issues. Thus residents are rigorously and regularly evaluated and should be quite aware of how their performance is judged.

 

HOW DO RESIDENTS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, WITH FACULTY, WITH VOLUNTARY FACULTY, WITH ATTENDING PHYSICIANS, AND WITH OTHER STAFF?

Well. We cultivate attitudes of collegiality and mutual respect.  This is facilitated by the modest size of our program which facilitates intimacy, mentoring, and nurturing.  There are a number of social functions throughout the year.  These range from “liver rounds” at certain local establishments after hours, to dinners with faculty, to an annual department awards/graduation dinner, to major institutionally-sponsored residents parties on several occasions during the year, to “Diwali” night.  In addition, we have introduced several resident-faculty functions – these have included a tennis tournament, a baseball game, bowling nights, ethnic dinners, receptions and the occasional resident-faculty basketball game (which the faculty always wins).  Be sure to talk to the residents about these.

 

WHAT KINDS OF PATIENTS WILL RESIDENTS SEE ON THE MEDICAL SERVICE AT SBMC?

On the average, an intern is responsible for the care of 4-10 patients on a general medical service at any given time.  The majority of these patients suffer from a combination of cardiologic, gastrointestinal, pulmonary, renal, neurologic, and infectious diseases.  In addition, the interns will encounter patients with rheumatologic, hematologic, oncologic, and endocrinologic diseases.  We feel this represents an excellent inpatient medical experience.

 

WHAT IS THE AMBULATORY CARE EXPERIENCE?

There are one-month, ambulatory “block” rotations for interns, Junior Assistant Residents (PGY 2s), and Senior Assistant Residents (PGY 3s). Assignments during the block rotations include outpatient otolaryngology, gynecology, hypertension, endocrinology, rheumatology, ophthalmology, dermatology, neurology, gastroenterology, cardiology, nephrology, pulmonology, hematology/oncology, psychiatry, hospice, geriatrics, and others.

 

WHAT IS THE OUTPATIENT CONTINUITY CARE EXPERIENCE?

The Department has developed a model ambulatory care program.  This does not detract from our commitment to excellence in subspecialty and inpatient medicine.  However ambulatory care is increasingly the predominant setting for diagnosis and treatment in internal medicine and its subspecialties.  The number of assigned inpatient months has been decreased to accommodate our expanded outpatient rotations.  We believe the trend to do less in the hospital and more in the outpatient setting will only accelerate in the years ahead.

In October 1995 the Saint Barnabas Internal Medicine Faculty Practice opened on our campus across the street from the Medical Center.  This is a new, state-of-the-art, 2,750 square foot facility which provides residents opportunities for a model experience in ambulatory care education.  Pap smears, vaginal wet mounts, joint fluid analysis, soft tissue and joint injections, electrocardiography, urinalysis, and geriatric assessment are supervised in the practice.  Residents see their patients with faculty supervision, and faculty members supervise an on site practice that serves as a continuity clinic for residents. Our development of a “patient-centered home” will be another unique innovation for us and further strengthen our program.

 

WHAT IS THE EMERGENCY MEDICINE EXPERIENCE?

The Emergency Medicine rotation is one month in the second year.  Residents work from 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. for ten shifts per month.  During this rotation, they learn valuable triaging skills, the art of rapid patient assessment and procedures like intubation, lumbar puncture, suturing, and joint aspiration. Additionally, they have opportunities to evaluate trauma patients and those with orthopedic and gynecologic problems.

 

WHAT ELECTIVES ARE AVAILABLE?  ARE THEY ALL AT SBMC?  ARE OUTSIDE ELECTIVES POSSIBLE?

We have a wide range of medical electives encompassing virtually any reasonable opportunity in medicine.  For example, three of our residents spent a month each at a public health clinic in Kathmandu, Nepal, which proved to be an extraordinary and valuable experience for those individuals as well as for the program.  SBMC offers all of the traditional medical subspecialty electives as well as others outside of medicine (radiology, pathology, psychiatry, office orthopedics, ENT, and others).  In addition there are a variety of outpatient rotation blocks available for residents to chose from, i.e. pain management, otolaryngology, urology, ophthalmology, and infectious diseases.  Our residents may request selection of occasional electives at other institutions, as it is healthy for individuals in the program to benefit from experiences elsewhere. These will usually be at other medical centers in the Saint Barnabas Health Care System, the UMDNJ-NJMS, and Newark Beth Israel Medical Center.  We have a monthly exchange of PGY-1s with Newark Beth Israel Medical Center, to offer our residents an experience at an urban institution. 

 

WHAT IS THE INVOLVEMENT OF HOSPITALISTS IN THE RESIDENCY?

We now have two hospitalist groups who care for more than 50% of the medicine inpatients and provide most of the daily/monthly teaching on one of the inpatient teaching services. These hospitalists are here virtually full time and most have been members of our residency and/or faculty. Residency education has been entrusted to them because of the excellence of their clinical and pedagogic abilities, and because of the obvious attractive advantages of having most patients on specified teaching services under the care of attending physicians who are responsible not only for patient care but also the concomitant teaching.

 

HOW DO RESIDENTS LEARN ABOUT MANAGED CARE, "THE BUSINESS OF MEDICINE", AND RELATED MATTERS IMPORTANT TO TODAY'S PRACTICE OF MEDICINE?

Largely in the context of caring for patients in the hospital and the continuity experience. We are not an "ivory tower" isolated from the exigencies of modern medicine. Our faculty and voluntary faculty practice and teach today's medicine. We supplement practical, supervised experiences with didactic conferences throughout the residency addressing topical issues, such as billing and coding, discharge planning, charting, dictating, to name but a few. Third-year residents now spend 1 month with those physicians at our medical center responsible for utilization, which is an enlightening and valuable experience. All residents will spend time in private offices too.

  
IS THERE A BOARD REVIEW COURSE?

We believe that capable and motivated residents in a sound educational program will learn to be good doctors and have no difficulty documenting this in a quantifiable fashion.  We want our residents to develop a consistently scholarly approach to clinical medicine and lifelong study patterns.  However, we know too that passing internal medicine boards is important and that residents perform better on the exam when properly prepared.  We have therefore incorporated into our overall educational program a board review-oriented, programmed reading conference with monthly tests that continue throughout the year.  This conference emphasizes material of educational value in the context of residents learning to be good internists; it does not narrowly address test-taking skills.  We believe this is a satisfactory balance of necessary and desirable educational objectives for our program.  Our residents’ performances reflect this.

 

ARE THERE RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES IN THE PROGRAM?

Yes.  Indeed it is a requirement of our program that residents complete a scholarly project in order to graduate from our program.  This “scholarly project” may consist of original research but may also be a case report, literature review, chart review, or other effort.  For those residents who wish, an experience in laboratory research can be arranged; most elect to carry out a clinical scholarly project.  Our department faculty serve as preceptors, guiding the residents appropriately through this effort.  The purpose of this, of course, is to enable our residents to gain experience with scientific method and learn to develop critical analytical skills so that they may apply these abilities to clinical medicine.  We are very proud of the considerable success that our residents have had with these efforts.  For example, our residents have presented abstracts or papers to the meetings of the New Jersey Chapter of the American College of Physicians, to national meetings, to subspecialty meetings, have received several awards, and have published in well-regarded peer-reviewed journals.  We invite residency applicants to examine our listings of resident and faculty publications in the department office.  These reflect and document the excellence of our commitment to clinical scholarship.  Our residents have published/presented over several hundred papers over the past years.

 

WHAT DO WE LOOK FOR IN PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS?

We seek individuals from any background with (i) adequate liberal arts and scientific educational preparation for a medical residency, (ii) appropriate humanistic attributes – empathy, compassion, maturity, concern, responsibility, and recognition that doctors care for the sick and that the sick never inconvenience the well, and (iii) intellectual curiosity and a commitment to develop a scholarly approach to clinical medicine.  (iv) Modern medicine is a "team" activity. We therefore also seek people who understand this and are committed to fit well and work well within the residency; individual excellence is necessary but no longer sufficient to be a good resident or good doctor. 

In recent years our residents have averaged c. 90% on both parts of the USMLEs.  We seek people who will benefit from the educational environment we provide and who will challenge us.  We consider all applications and all applicants.  We may occasionally sponsor H1B or J1 visas.  We prefer residents who do not need visa sponsorship. We seek balance in the program between residents planning careers in medical subspecialties and careers as generalists.

We hope our preliminary residents wish to invest in a busy year learning about internal medicine, wish to belong to a cohesive program and department, and appreciate the value of teamwork (a distinctly more challenging and different experience than a transitional year, for example), and do not apply for a preliminary year in medicine as a default choice.

 

DO WE TAKE INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL GRADUATES (IMGs)?

Yes, although once our interns “matriculate” to our program they are all the same – young men and women who are graduate physicians anxious to learn internal medicine and become good, caring physicians.

 

ARE WE IN THE MATCH?  DO WE EVER TAKE RESIDENTS OF THE MATCH?

We feel honor-bound not to subvert the match or to encourage any candidates to withdraw from the match.  This is a process that brings order to what would otherwise be chaos.  It is designed to match applicants to the highest ranking program of their choice to whom they are acceptable.  However we recognize that not all PGY1 applicants are compelled to participate in the match or will wish to participate in the match.  Such candidates should discuss this candidly with us; in such circumstances we consider offering out-of-match positions. 

 

WHERE DO OUR RESIDENTS COME FROM?

Many come from the region; we have had residents from Livingston and Short Hills (NJ), from Washington, DC, Massachusetts, Florida, Texas, and California, for example.  Many come from abroad.  We welcome diversity among our residents, and consider this healthy for our program.

 

WHAT ABOUT FELLOWSHIP PROGRAMS AT SBMC?

We are actively (re-)developing these. We share a pulmonary-critical care fellowship with our sister institution, Newark Beth Israel Medical Center (NBIMC). July 2007 heralded resumption of our Nephrology fellowship, also in conjunction with NBIMC. Others are expected to soon follow. We have subspecialty programs that have sponsored fellowships in the past and are prepared to do so again.  Our institution has the resources and commitment to see a rich complement of fellowship programs in medicine.

 

WHY DID WE DEVELOP A NIGHT FLOAT SYSTEM?

We considered this for several years before implementing a night float system in July 2007. There is no perfect or ideal structure to a residency; different approaches work better in different programmatic and institutional cultures. Night floats are currently popular and many programs utilize such rotations. There are certain advantages to night float systems, largely in terms of call and convenience; there are disadvantages related to continuity of care and educational content. We, and our residents, are presently pleased with our present system and plan to continue it.

 

WHAT NEW INNOVATIONS ARE CONTEMPLATED FOR THE PROGRAM?

We have elsewhere (following) in this document discussed the Educational Innovation Project (emphasizing humanism) and our reconsideration of fellowship programs at SBMC (preceding). We have staffed our ICU with a complement of 4 full-time intensivists, and plan to develop more robust patient education programs in the internal medicine faculty practice, expand our home visit program, and improve the safety, quality, efficiency, timeliness, and patient-centeredness of our care.

 

WILL THERE BE ANY CHANGES IN THE PROGRAM NEXT YEAR?

Yes. We are very pleased with and proud of our program as it is. All our residents pass boards and our accrediting body, the Residency Review Committee for Internal Medicine, has had NO critical or adverse comments about our program for over 10 years. Indeed we were honored with selection as a participant in the Educational Innovation Project. However we are never satisfied or complacent and are committed to make our program still better. We changed our complement of categorical residents from 33 to 30 and of preliminary residents from 1 to 4, and provided first-year residents more in-hospital educational opportunities, as we implemented a night-float system. Each year our faculty and residents together critically review our program and identify opportunities for improvement.  We surely do not intend to revamp or overhaul a successful program but rather improve next year’s program to be even better.

 

IS THERE HOUSING?  WHAT AMENITIES ARE AVAILABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS?

As is detailed in the descriptive brochure in our program, lovely and convenient housing is available to our residents across the street, on our “campus”.  This is one of many attractive aspects of our institution and our location.  Consistent with our commitment to the residency being an education – not a service – experience, resident coverage of inpatients on the medical services is circumscribed as mandated by the Residency Review Committee and is facilitated by the constant availability of IV teams, phlebotomists, respiratory therapists, EKG and ECHO technicians, and other ancillary personnel.

WHAT DO OUR GRADUATES DO?

Approximately 60% of our graduates have gone on to fellowships as enumerated preceding; the other 40% have entered practice.  Many remain in the area and have been able to identify fine situations.  The department is committed to support our graduates, and this is evidenced by our success in placing our graduates into excellent fellowship and practice opportunities.

ARE OUR GRADUATES SUCESSFUL WHEN APPLYING FOR FELLOWSHIPS?

Since 2006, 60% of our residents have applied for subspecialty fellowships, and >80% of these were successful vs. 60% in 2007 national fellowship match. 87% of our IMGs were successful vs. 44% in the 2007 in the national fellowship match, and 100% of our USIMGs were successful vs. 38% in the 2007 national fellowship match. This experience has been consistent for us. Our record of success surpasses national averages for this period. Our residents entered fellowships in virtually all medical subspecialties and have obtained positions at elite institutions such as the NIH, Hopkins, Harvard hospitals, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, etc. All those entering fellowship programs performed well and many stayed in academic medicine. Successful resident applicants won awards, were chief residents, had advanced degrees, and participated on (NJACP) “challenge bowl” teams.

WHAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL INNOVATION PROJECT (EIP) AND HOW WILL IT ENHANCE THE PROGRAM?

We are now involved with something very special and exciting—the Educational Innovations Project. We were one of 51 medicine residencies (of 388 programs) invited to submit an education innovations project proposal to the Internal Medicine Residency Review Committee (RRC-IM) of the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, our accrediting body. The RRC-IM has developed this bold new initiative to facilitate innovations in graduate medical education. They wish to integrate improvements in medical education, improvements in resident educational outcomes, and improved quality and safety in patient care, and to advance competency-based education and outcomes-based assessment. The RRC-IM unveiled a pilot study designed to enhance the flexibility of successful programs in charting the future of internal medicine graduate medical education. Programs with track records of success in accreditation and ABIM outcomes were given the option of entering, by competitive application and review-- a new, alternative pathway to accreditation – The Educational Innovations Project. Based on our excellent accreditation record, and programmatic achievements, we were among those select medicine residency programs invited to submit an education innovations project (EIP) proposal. Our eligibility was based on our excellent recent accreditation record, programmatic achievements, and an approved letter of intent.

We were delighted to learn that that we were selected to participate in the EIP. Participants are a very elite group of 21 programs (~ 5% of medicine residencies) including Mayo, Duke, Henry Ford, University of California-San Francisco, University of Wisconsin, Ohio State University, Beth Israel Deaconess (Harvard), North Shore-Long Island Jewish/Einstein, Scripps, New York Medical College, Indiana University, University of Pittsburgh, and the University of Cincinnati, among others. EIP programs are accredited for as long as (an unprecedented) 10 years and enjoy special, different, relaxed program requirements to facilitate educational and clinical innovations. At the recent meeting of the Alliance for Academic Internal Medicine, medicine, organizational, and RRC leadership repeatedly lauded the EIP effort and programs, referring to participants as the “crème de la crème”, the “best and the brightest”, and those who will rewrite medicine’s future in education, care, and accreditation processes. Our proposal focuses on humanism-- "Humanism for Residents. Using Humanities-- Poetry, Art, Literature, Film, and History (And Perhaps Talmud) -- To Create Better Doctors. Development Of A Humanism-Based Curriculum, Implemented By Multidisciplinary Team-Based Patient-Centered Care, Leading To Measurably Improved Resident Competencies (Assessed By Novel Evaluation Tools) and Measurably Better, Safer, Higher Quality, Patient Outcomes (Assessed by Novel Outcomes Instruments). A Controlled Innovation". We are very excited about this potential opportunity to improve our program and contribute generally to better residency education and patient care. Beginning with the July 2007-08 academic year our educational program has been enriched by a humanities-based curriculum intended to train more humanistic residents who will perform better, provide better patient care, and have great opportunities for personal growth. This has received national attention and has been featured in the New York Times and newsletter of the prestigious Association of American Medical Colleges.

  
WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS OF OUR PROGRAM?

Ours is a program of established excellence, affirmed by our invitation to participate in the very selective, elite EIP, with a unique thematic identity (medical humanities/bedside humanism). Residents come here because of the attractiveness of our suburban location in the New York Metropolitan area, the excellence of our faculty and educational staff, the reputation of our institution for community and tertiary care, ambiance and intimacy of our program, the superb mix of patients encountered, the high quality of medical care provided by our state-of-the-art facilities, our superb and nurturing educational environment, our individualized attention, our ability to integrate exemplary patient care with sound academics, and the documented successes of our residents and residency.

 

DOES THE FACULTY SUPPORT RESIDENTS SEEKING POSITIONS, BE THEY IN PRACTICE OR FELLOWSHIP, AFTER GRADUATION?

Of course. How could we not? We are selfish in that we want to succeed; our success is defined by our residents' performance. We understand that. That is why we do what do. That is why we are so committed to developing and maintaining an environment where everyone has fun learning and caring for patients together, and does it as well as possible. That is why we are so committed to helping our residents flourish. That is why we expend so much effort talking with residents about life decisions, life after residency, practice situations, fellowships, preparing resumes, writing applications, conducting mock interviews, and otherwise supporting residents as they move into new phases of their careers.

We hope this information has provided some additional insights and perspectives about our program.  We would enjoy hearing from you and wish you well.

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