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An Interview with Gary Rogal, MD, FACC
Chief of Cardiology, Saint Barnabas Medical Center

Watch Dr. Gary Rogal Answer Frequent Questions Dr. Rogal has a special interest in preventative cardiology, non-invasive imaging and valvular disease. He co-founded the Integrative Medicine Program for cardiovascular disease at Saint Barnabas Medical Center and Newark Beth Israel Medical Center, one of the largest integrative medicine programs for cardiac patients in the United States. Dr. Rogal has published several journal articles and is a diplomat of the American Board of Internal Medicine and a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology. He serves as a board member of the Heritage Affiliate of The American Heart Association.

In this month’s interview, we asked Dr. Rogal to share with us the answers to some of the most common questions he hears from patients.

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Session 2

Q: Why do the treatments for heart disease seem to change so often? My doctor has prescribed several different drugs for my condition. How does he choose what to prescribe for me and will the choice change without warning?

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A: In order to understand the answer to this question, we need to talk about evidence-based medicine, which is really the integration of clinical research trials, a physician’s clinical expertise and also patient values (what suits the patient). Clinical research is based on a systematic observation of patients and treatments. In essence, what we are trying to do is take large groups of patients, assign them to different therapies and in some cases, assign a group to a placebo so we can see the result of no treatment. We then compare the outcomes.

It is very important when we design two groups of patients to compare, that we randomly put those patients into two different treatment groups to prevent selection bias. We must insure that the groups that we are studying are roughly equivalent. And we also have to define the groups that we are studying. As clinicians we must ensure that there is relevance of the group under study to our patients. And, finally, it is always better if a study is large because we are able to detect small differences in treatment with large numbers of patients. So, those are the important elements in comparing two groups of patients and the intervention of a particular therapy in those two groups.

So, how does a clinical trial work? In hormone replacement trials, previous analysis had demonstrated that hormone replacement therapy in post-menopausal women might lower the risk of heart disease. It turned out, after the performance of the Women’s Heart Initiative which was a randomized, controlled trial of 16,000 post-menopausal women that, in fact, hormone replacement therapy does not prevent heart disease in that patient population. In fact, it turned out that there was a selection bias – those women who were treated with hormone replacement therapy were also doing other things that might result in a lower risk of heart disease. So, the study was not comparing equivalent groups. The Women’s Heart Initiative actually took that bias out of the research and then properly answered the question, so our whole view of hormone replacement therapy was changed.

A second issue is Vitamin E, long talked about as potentially beneficial in patients because of a lot of basic science that was done regarding the substance. But in large, randomized, controlled trials, results actually showed that Vitamin E does not, in fact, protect against heart disease. And, in some cases, may have been detrimental. So, when we introduce a substance like Vitamin E into a complex biological system like a human being, it is sometimes very difficult to predict what the outcome might be.

Relevant to the issue of heart medications are the questions of congestive heart failure and the use of beta blockers. For many years, when I was in training, the experts taught that the use of a beta blocking drug, which is a heart slowing drug, is not beneficial in congestive heart failure patients. We were told not to use those drugs. Basic science taught us to look a little bit differently at this issue and then very large, randomized, controlled trials were performed which told a totally different story. Now we understand that beta blockers are bedrock medications in that diagnosis.

So, things will often change as clinical trials are performed. Evidence-based medicine is really what cardiologists base their decisions on. Evidence-based medicine is the application of various treatments and the testing of those treatments using statistical methods.


 

Q: I have heard about a test that measures calcium in the heart arteries. What is this test and who should have it?

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A:This question addresses the issue of coronary artery calcium scoring. In previous questions, we spoke about risk and how physicians assess a person’s risk for having coronary artery disease or atherosclerosis of the coronary arteries. Traditionally, what we have used is the Framingham Risk Score (http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/about/framingham/riskabs.htm), which uses several elements; age, family history, level of HDL or “good cholesterol,” blood pressure levels and history of smoking. When we put all of those things together, we can determine what your risk is for a coronary event.

  • If you have a Framingham Risk Score under 10% (that is a 10% risk of having a coronary event in the next ten years) then your risk is low. That represents about 35% of the population.
  • If you are in the 10-20% range, that is the intermediate group and the group that we’re very concerned about because about half of all coronary events actually occur in the intermediate group.
  • If you are in the high group, which has a greater than 20% risk of having a coronary event in the next ten years – those patients are much easier to manage because the chances of having a coronary event in that situation is substantially high and justifies a high level of intervention.

We use the coronary artery calcium scoring in addition to the Framingham Risk Score because it adds another variable with which we can quantify the patient’s risk of having a coronary event in the future.

What this test does, is use a CT scanner to measure the presence of coronary calcium in the coronary vessel. We know that coronary calcium is part of developing plaque in the coronary vessel. We also know that zero calcium does not mean that you do not have any plaque, but it is associated with a good prognosis. The CT scan time is literally seconds, the test can be completed in 15 to 20 minutes.  There is a very low radiation dose and neither dye nor radioisotope is used during the test. What we are trying to do is to match treatment intensity to the patient’s risk of having the disease. If you are a high-risk patient, that would justify more intense therapy to address coronary artery disease.

So, in 2007, the American College of Cardiology published a consensus document and they came to several very useful conclusions:

  • coronary artery calcium measurement does predict coronary events, out to 3 to 5 years;
  • coronary artery calcium scoring independently predicts outcome over and above the traditional risk factors (i.e., the Framingham Risk Score);
  • calcium scoring may also help risk stratified patients in the intermediate group – the group in which 50% of coronary events occur.

 

Q:  I have been reading about a new non-invasive CT scan that gives the same information as a cardiac catheterization. What are the differences between these tests?

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A:In order to answer this question, we have to talk a little bit about cardiac catheterization, which is an invasive test in which a physician threads a catheter from an artery in the leg up to the heart, injects the coronary arteries with a dye and takes pictures of the dye as it flows through the vessels and thereby detects blockages. This is an invasive test that requires at least a same-day admission to the hospital.

A 64-slice CT scan does at least that much and a bit more. We are able to detect coronary artery blockages without the invasive aspect of cardiac catheterization. This test is done in a CT scanner in an outpatient setting.
In some aspects, 64-slice CT is actually better than cardiac catheterization.

  • It is excellent at detecting congenital coronary artery problems, which are sometimes difficult to define by cardiac catheterization.
  • It is much better at defining diseases of a structure called the aortic loop, a vessel leaving the heart.
  • Very importantly, it is better at defining what we call sub-critical disease. You can have a stress test, and it can be negative, but you can still have a blockage in an artery which is under 70%. A 64-slice CT scan will catch that – we are able to see things as small as 10-20% and that is important because we know that those plaques can grow and become considerably worse if the intensity of therapy is not adequate.

So, 64-slice CT scanning is a fairly simple experience for the patient. The scan time is quite short. There is a fair amount of preparation and there is a fair amount of recovery afterward, since you are injected with dye. The dye is the same as in cardiac catheterization, so in patients who have kidney disease we have to exert caution. In addition, we depend on very slow heart rates in order to make the scan as clear as possible. So we have to administer drugs called beta blockers which are difficult to use in patients who have lung disease, patients who have low blood pressure or those with excessively slow heart rates. And, because of the radiation that’s delivered during the test, the dye that is given and also the cost, this is definitely not a screening test for all at-risk patients.

Our current dilemma in the work up of patients with coronary artery disease is to detect what we call the sub-critical plaque. That is what we are referring to when we talk about plaque that is less than 70%. And, we need to find those plaques in patients who are in that intermediate risk group because those patients may have a low Framingham Risk Score, may, in fact, have a negative stress test but, after all of that information is acquired, could still have a coronary event in the next year.

64-slice CT scanning is superb in detecting that patient. It is of great use in the patient who has had an equivocal stress test (one that is not diagnostic) and is also very useful in those patients for whom we suspect a false-positive stress test (that is, the test is abnormal and the patient does not have the disease). We would much rather do a non-invasive test than subject that patient to a full cardiac catheterization. And, finally, it is also useful in patients with valve disease whom, by echocardiography, we know may need their valves replaced and we want to do a simpler, less invasive test to determine if they also have coronary artery problems.

The bottom line is that 64-slice CT is an evolving technology, it’s a very powerful technology, and it is extremely useful in those situations we reviewed. But, randomized, controlled trials are required in order to find its true place in cardiac work up in the future.  

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